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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 21:30:06 GMT -6
Hey everyone!
First, like I've said on Twitter, and Jon's said here on the boards, I couldn't be prouder of everyone that's in EXODUS right now. I agree with him; I think this is the best group of writers in all of e-Wrestling, and considering a lot of you know some top-notch talent from other feds you've been in, that says a lot.
But things are getting a little bit harder to handle the more people we get on the roster. Right now we've got around 35 active competitors that we feel like we need to book on every show, especially given that we're a bi-weekly fed. Considering that staff is currently just me and Jon (and the gracious group of you that help us out by writing matches and judging roleplays!), it would be extremely difficult for us to even consider going weekly; plus the schedule is part of the reason some of you even signed up in the first place!
That leads me to this; before too long, we're going to have to set a cap on how many people can be in EXODUS. That seems harsh, but if we keep taking on talent (especially now, as the people we have aren't leaving as quickly as people around here used to), we're going to be in a situation where we're booking 12-14 matches every show, and even with the help we have now, we won't be able to give all of them our best work.
So the questions I'm posing to you guys is this;
1. Should we have a cap? If so, what should that number be, given we're already floating between 35 and 40 characters?
2. Should there be an added process to joining EXODUS? If so, what should that be? Currently our process is "You post an app, you're probably accepted." So...just about anything would be useful.
3. If there is a cap, should there be a process by which people could circumvent the cap and join EXODUS? This could be useful if we're at a cap, but a talented writer that could contribute to the promotion is interested in coming in.
And any other questions or concerns you might have.
Thanks,
Clint
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Post by Daisuke Iwakuma on Apr 11, 2013 21:42:55 GMT -6
I wanted to precede this by saying we're looking at the roster we have now, and we're currently sitting on a few more surprises for you guys. But seriously, once all cards are on the table, I can't say we don't have an amazing roster on our hands already. We'd be looking at being the undisputed best in the hobby. I'm going to pitch this idea out as well. We could run a second show and possibly go "weekly" if we had a couple people willing to oversee that show. I'll be honest though, I think Clint and I would expect the same sort of punctuality and quality from that show. 1) Most rosters seem to cap at 40. I know PDW does, and it might not be a bad idea to go there. 2) Clint, you and I have discussed a character development roleplay so we could see their style before allowing them, and I'm all for that. We discussed scoring it, and we would have a minimum score average. To do this, Clint and I would be the primary judges, and we'd need a revolving door of guest judges to help with that. That's what I'm hoping we can get. 3) I think that circumventing the cap would be based on a few things - Does this person add to the roster's value? I don't want to be mean, but saying "hey, I've got a good friend here" may not be as valuable as "Hey, Wrestler X who has been a huge name wants to come work an extended run." - Does this person have the quality to fit in with the rest of EXODUS? - What can we do with this person from a creative standpoint? Anyways, that's my two cents.  |
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Post by Andrew Ashton on Apr 12, 2013 0:51:01 GMT -6
I'm 1000% behind having a roster cap. I might be the only one, but I feel it should even be less than 35 and here is my reasoning for that:
- if we looked at that 35 in terms of singles competition (ignoring tag teams for a second) that's 17.5 story lines that would have to be formed per EXODUS taping. Fair enough, right now not everyone wants to run an angle for a match at every Supercard, but eventually when the roster steadies out and everyone's feet are firmly on the ground here, everyone would want some form of angle or what's the point in doing this?
With the potential need to do so many angles, we risk drowning in them. Sometimes I feel some shows we put up struggle from time to time with that. Right now we're lucky that a lot of people can jump into the one LEGION angle, but what about after that? Are we going to bring in another group to herd a bunch of handlers together in the same way?
Quality over quantity has always been my motto.
- Weekly shows, I think I could just about pull out a role play per card which could be quite a hinderence with the whole extra points for people who have enough time on their hands to bust out two. Don't get me wrong, people who post two, I think that's great, but its not like its something that had to be done. But that's a completely different issue.
I'd have no problem with going weekly. Like I said above, my issue would be not getting a fair crack of the whip because I haven't had the same spare time as others who may have managed to post two. But I find myself in that predicament every two weeks at the minute anyway, I've just been lucky that each match, everyone has gone one for one with me.
That said, I struggle now to be able to help out with results and whatnot, so I think helping weekly would be stupidly hard for me.
- I think we should have a criteria for people we accept. Personally I don't think it should be based on writing skill, instead it should be based on character. If their character is new, fresh and can add a lot to the product? Bring them in. If its the same old stuff but they're a good writer? Of they're a good writer but doing boring stuff, then it detracts. I personally don't think it should be based on writing skill, everyone deserves a fair crack of the whip to have fun here.
- Obviously if someone is stupidly good, add name value and are rated extremely highly, they should bypass everything and walk in. If they're a "hot commodity", get them while you can.
Of course this is just my two cents on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 2:07:15 GMT -6
One way of going weekly but keep writers on a bi-weekly schedule would be to initiate a roster split. The question being, are there people that you guys trust willing to step up and produce the same quality from the show as it is and be punctual? Working it out angle wise would be another thing. How me and Leese did this was not necessarily a split roster alternating shows between two separate cities. Capping would be the simplest solution and one I'm not too big a fan of but if it there's no other way then it has to be done. To me though, it just feels like we're closing ourselves off like we're a walled community from a post-apocalyptic movie and don't want the riff-raff coming in. With the potential need to do so many angles, we risk drowning in them. Sometimes I feel some shows we put up struggle from time to time with that. Right now we're lucky that a lot of people can jump into the one LEGION angle, but what about after that? Are we going to bring in another group to herd a bunch of handlers together in the same way? In any fed, don't depend on the staff to come up with angles for you. That's always been my main thing. I'm never one to be too big on the whole big bad stable trying to dominant the roster. So a good bit of the LEGION angle just doesn't ring my bell. There are just too many things on the outside that I feel could make people feel locked in. I've been working on my own thing and sure I've been quite the pain in the ass with asking to make sure I don't screw with anything else going on. It's just how I am with being independent like that, make my own ball and run with it. |
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Post by Dan Stein on Apr 12, 2013 2:12:44 GMT -6
I want to say that SHOOT Project is running a soft cap. I'm no longer actively recruiting unless it's a talented writer, like Clint said. The Red Army is more and more selective of the people they're letting in.
Also, this is the first RP cycle where we've ran two shows in a long time. They're both on the same week, one on Monday, one on Tuesday, so that there's no roster split (which, if there's a roster split, that's a lot more work for the fedheads and less opportunities to pair up for the writers). We have our handlers write matches, some pick up more than one, but it's willing and open participation.
Congratulations on being at a point where you can cap, gentlemen. That's a big step in an efed's life. I've followed the life of the fed through Greg B. since before it existed and I know you guys are doing a great job with the cards you were dealt.
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Post by Andrew Ashton on Apr 12, 2013 8:20:04 GMT -6
With the potential need to do so many angles, we risk drowning in them. Sometimes I feel some shows we put up struggle from time to time with that. Right now we're lucky that a lot of people can jump into the one LEGION angle, but what about after that? Are we going to bring in another group to herd a bunch of handlers together in the same way? In any fed, don't depend on the staff to come up with angles for you. That's always been my main thing. I'm never one to be too big on the whole big bad stable trying to dominant the roster. So a good bit of the LEGION angle just doesn't ring my bell. There are just too many things on the outside that I feel could make people feel locked in. I've been working on my own thing and sure I've been quite the pain in the ass with asking to make sure I don't screw with anything else going on. It's just how I am with being independent like that, make my own ball and run with it. I wasn't saying about how are the staff going to come up with these angles, I was pointing out that with such a big roster the shows could get drowned out with angles everywhere, like when I was running my videos every week before I revealed, not long after everyone was doing a similar thing. Then we've had other angles that have barely been noticed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 8:50:43 GMT -6
True, some angles do get more attention than others. To me, that's not saying so much about the roster size as it does about what each handler does with it. God knows I've had my flops over the years in feds both big and small. It depends on who I'm working with as well. One thing's for sure though, without a cap, split or some other way of running on a more micro level, some could easily feel like they're being overlooked.
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Post by jblayze on Apr 12, 2013 10:41:49 GMT -6
I think a cap is a good idea and as for process for new applicants, I think it comes down to like Ashton said "good writer & good story = plus for the fed over good writer & boring story".
Or you can have a waiting list.
Personally, roster splits do hurt things because like others have said, you end up with people not able to work with one another. I mean hell, WWE doesn't even have a legit roster split anymore over their two shows.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 11:42:50 GMT -6
A roster split has never been on the table; I think at one point I said to Greg that the only way we'd even consider going weekly was to have split writing teams, so that they're only doing things every other week. But that'd require somewhere in the neighborhood of triple the staff we currently use.
I can't help but agree that even 35 is a lot of people to have on a permanent basis...
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Post by Daisuke Iwakuma on Apr 12, 2013 11:46:41 GMT -6
Well if we do that, we have to cap now and take in the last few people we already know are in. And I'm fine with that.
The problem is that of the roster we have now, some of those guys are being lost in the shuffle because they're not contributing. Not the LEGION/EXODUS angle, but they don't send in segments or anything. And those are the people that will fall by the wayside.
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Post by jblayze on Apr 12, 2013 12:00:24 GMT -6
Then those are the guys/gals you book less often and give the quality lineup spots to the contributing members of EXODUS society.
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Post by Dan Stein on Apr 12, 2013 12:44:11 GMT -6
Then those are the guys/gals you book less often and give the quality lineup spots to the contributing members of EXODUS society. That. I skimmed this thread after I posted in it so I don't know if what I said was touched upon but why not have two shows on the same week so there is no roster split? All of the people that you would have on the second show on the opposite week would just write their matches a week earlier. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 15:19:43 GMT -6
Yeah, that's basically where we're at; going to a two-show, bi-weekly format. I think if we had the writers and judges capable of and willing to help us out with that, it's something we could look into doing.
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Post by Andrew Ashton on Apr 12, 2013 15:24:30 GMT -6
Well if we do that, we have to cap now and take in the last few people we already know are in. And I'm fine with that. The problem is that of the roster we have now, some of those guys are being lost in the shuffle because they're not contributing. Not the LEGION/EXODUS angle, but they don't send in segments or anything. And those are the people that will fall by the wayside. Oh, I wasn't saying the EXODUS/LEGION angle is a bad thing, in fact it's good that it gets so many people get put it one angle, it keeps a lot of people involved in something. Having two shows would be a mistake, we've got staff members roleplaying and writing matches, it would be too much of a burden on them unless we get a dedicated staff (RA Team anyone!?) that can cover everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 15:40:10 GMT -6
]Oh, I wasn't saying the EXODUS/LEGION angle is a bad thing, in fact it's good that it gets so many people get put it one angle, it keeps a lot of people involved in something. Having two shows would be a mistake, we've got staff members roleplaying and writing matches, it would be too much of a burden on them unless we get a dedicated staff (RA Team anyone!?) that can cover everything. Besides me and Jeff, the RA Team WAS active handlers, for the most part.  I'm totally on board with getting people we trust and that are punctual who could just be staff members, it's just that they're hard to come by and keep...usually because of personal issues that we have no bearing over (Alex Brooks-Greg and Kliff-Kyle were both a third staff person until real life intervened). |
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