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Post by White Satan on May 12, 2014 11:34:11 GMT -6
Hey guys.
I've noticed a lot of people use the extension program, which is fine. At the end of the day, real life should come first before this game of ours, and I respect that.
However, I've had some people get dismayed that people get extensions and basically are given an additional 12 hours to churn out a roleplay after being given two weeks, something I understand. That's why, starting the next cycle (WHICH MEANS AFTER ABSENT ARE THE SAINTS), I'm going to go to one of the following caveats to the extension rule. I want you guys to leave feedback and let me know what you think.
1) Your RP will have 1 point deducted from your final average. In a fed where winners are often determined by less than half a point, this could mean the difference between victory and defeat. HOWEVER, this will be waived if everyone in your match has asked for an extension.
2) You may receive an extension, but you will not be allowed on consecutive shows. No point penalty will be assessed, but you run the risk of losing your next match if your time management is similar to the previous show. This could be damaging to champions, who may be booked for a title defense.
3) I will be shortening the extension to 9AM Central time, thus decreasing the time you have to work on RPs. The one point deduction is still in play in this variation as well.
Leave me your feedback here and let me know what you think.
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Post by The Karma Keeper on May 12, 2014 13:36:05 GMT -6
I think the first one and the third one sound the most fair. And yes, I definitely see what you mean. In all honesty, I think the same when people ask for extensions and crank out epic roleplays. I figured I was paranoid though. No, but seriously, I think this sounds fair now that I think of number two. I mean, if they're late twice in a row and have no good reason for it, no concrete "I had to go to a funeral" excuse or something, it totally makes sense. I just think you guys have to kinda tread lightly and put that part into consideration? Just a thought.
But yeah, sounds like that would make ExPro a lot more fair.
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Post by Dazz on May 12, 2014 14:31:45 GMT -6
Yep, I can accept that. I've had it in the past where I've worked my butt off to write something and post on time only for someone to ask for an extension and pretty much get the inevitable win because they had more time to work on it and who knows if the extension was requested due to a busy life or just to get an advantage (in all my experiences in this game though, unfortunately, a lot of the time it seems to be the latter, which is completely unfair to their opponents).
I mean, for me this cycle, I didn't actually start my rp until Tuesday or Wednesday because I had no ideas whatsoever (not unusual, I once woke up with an idea for an rp on deadline day, sat at the PC for 12 hours straight and won, luckily I had the day off work and it was a Saturday so I had nothing else to do that day). I only asked for a reminder of the deadline to be sure then cranked out last minute details in the promo description but then when I noticed one of my opponents posted late and then was granted extension when it wasn't mentioned before, I have to be honest, it felt kinda fishy to me because of my past experiences with others who took the piss. No offence intended there to Lexy's handler (and that was used as an example, not to call anyone out), I don't know what's going on in anyone else's life, nor you do about mine, it's just how things seem.
I'd kinda suggest maybe if someone needs an extension, everyone else in the match is told about it and given the same extended time to rp just to make it seem a little fairer (I'm also a stickler for not reading an opponent's rp until I've posted mine if we post just 1 each because again, I feel that to do so would be to take advantage and use an opponent's promo against them with a response to whatever they say but I'm probably just weird like that).
Hopefully I haven't stepped on any toes or anything because apparently, people have been offended when I've spoken honestly and openly when asked for opinions and ideas but hey, there we go.
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Post by HALE BLACK SATIN on May 12, 2014 14:49:51 GMT -6
^^^ Justin Brooks likes this.
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Post by EXODUS Office on May 12, 2014 14:49:54 GMT -6
Yep, I can accept that. I've had it in the past where I've worked my butt off to write something and post on time only for someone to ask for an extension and pretty much get the inevitable win because they had more time to work on it and who knows if the extension was requested due to a busy life or just to get an advantage (in all my experiences in this game though, unfortunately, a lot of the time it seems to be the latter, which is completely unfair to their opponents). I mean, for me this cycle, I didn't actually start my rp until Tuesday or Wednesday because I had no ideas whatsoever (not unusual, I once woke up with an idea for an rp on deadline day, sat at the PC for 12 hours straight and won, luckily I had the day off work and it was a Saturday so I had nothing else to do that day). I only asked for a reminder of the deadline to be sure then cranked out last minute details in the promo description but then when I noticed one of my opponents posted late and then was granted extension when it wasn't mentioned before, I have to be honest, it felt kinda fishy to me because of my past experiences with others who took the piss. No offence intended there to Lexy's handler (and that was used as an example, not to call anyone out), I don't know what's going on in anyone else's life, nor you do about mine, it's just how things seem. I'd kinda suggest maybe if someone needs an extension, everyone else in the match is told about it and given the same extended time to rp just to make it seem a little fairer (I'm also a stickler for not reading an opponent's rp until I've posted mine if we post just 1 each because again, I feel that to do so would be to take advantage and use an opponent's promo against them with a response to whatever they say but I'm probably just weird like that). Hopefully I haven't stepped on any toes or anything because apparently, people have been offended when I've spoken honestly and openly when asked for opinions and ideas but hey, there we go. The problem with giving everyone the extension is that I'm often asked for the extension on deadline day and inevitably an opponent or more for the match has already posted. Knowing Lexy's handler, I know that they were quite sick last week, so when they asked, I had no problem. Not to mention that the handler has never asked for an extension in the past and was very nervous to ask for one to begin with. Truth be told, I may wind up doing some combination of all three. Shorten the extension time, deduct the point unless your opponent(s) have the same courtesy, and not grant one for the following show.
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Post by Dazz on May 12, 2014 17:56:18 GMT -6
Yeah that's what I meant, there's no way of people knowing what's going on in someone else's life unless they know them well, which isn't gonna be possible all the time and in cases like that, you get a little wary. I've seen people claim they were sick or busy just to get a little extra time for an unfair advantage and again, I'm not accusing anyone here of that, just relating my own opinion. It's hard to please everyone and those three ideas mentioned seem like the best way forward.
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Post by Meatball-kun on May 12, 2014 19:01:09 GMT -6
It sounds like you're leaning heavily towards a mix of the three, but I'll toss my two cents in for what they're worth:
I actually really like #2. I think it's pretty reasonable. The way I'm looking at it: You have two weeks for each show. I understand that some people can only really write on Wednesdays, or on one particular day of the week, but if they're busy one week, they can likely get their needed time the next.
Obviously, things DO come up. Like I requested an extension because I had finals week, which sucked up most of my attention, and my second week was college graduation and the celebrations that followed (though it's easily argued that I didn't HAVE to celebrate with all those people, and could have found the time.) But I knew I'd have trouble writing. Real life happened to throw me a curveball. What I SHOULD have done was ask the week off. But I misjudged my time, overestimated my ability to make time to write, and wound up posting a half-assed rushed RP, even with an extension.
The thing I'm having trouble with is that I couldn't imagine a scenario where I'd need an extension twice in a row. That means that for four straight weeks, I've been hit with something totally out of nowhere and haven't had the time to write. I guess I'm just finding it hard to believe that real life is totally fucking people over for a full month.
I guess the other thing that I'm thinking is like...even if this is totally the case, and some people ARE getting hit left, right and center with real life issues...what would be the downside to option #2? Worst case scenario, you need an extension twice in a row. Your request for show 2 gets denied. You no-show the match. You lose. And (I think I'm remembering EXODUS policy correctly), you're barred from the next show's card. But hey, if you're having that much trouble with real life, then perhaps a week off is exactly what you need, you know?
That's just my thoughts on it. I hope I didn't come off as rude. That's not my intention, and I apologize if that's the impression I gave.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 21:19:12 GMT -6
The entire issue has been handled to broadly.
Why don't we just open up a criteria? How much of your work have you honestly done, how much time do you honestly need? And give an arbitration?
This whole everyone in the deadline bracket has an extra day thing has always been lazy and enabling of lax attitudes.
We need some firmness up in here. I like the idea of a deduction but I think just giving them an umbrella time is too easy.
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Post by Whambulance on May 13, 2014 10:42:02 GMT -6
I know I haven't even had a match here yet... so I don't know if I should even be giving my two cents on the matter, but as a veteran player of this game I think I have some helpful insight in to the matter. Considering the fact that while I was in SCW just recently and they give extensions as well.
How they do it is when they give an extension it encompasses everyone in the match. Which works for them, because most of their handlers all wait till the very last moment to post anyways. So there really never an issue with one person being able to take advantage of the extension over the other, because they both hadn't posted yet.
Now I really haven't read anyone's rps here yet or looked at to when they have been posted in relation to the deadline and extension wise to say if this option will work or not, but why not put a deadline on when you can ask for an extension?
Say the night before the rp deadline? Not only could that help to allow all parties involved in the matches get the extension, but it would also help to where the extensions don't interfere so much with rp judging and result writing (a big problem that SCW has with their extensions).
And on the off chance someone has already posted their rp when the extension is asked for why not give them a choice?
A choice of whether or not to take down their rp and revise/amend it in the extended time limit or stand their ground with what they have.
Just an Idea I think could work. Considering most of the time when time slips away from someone it's from things working a double or extra shift or being sick can happen days before the rp deadline and in this day and age with smart phones and stuff I think they could ask for am extension by the extension deadline line, but these are just my two cents on the matter.
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Post by White Satan on May 13, 2014 11:31:24 GMT -6
Taking a lot of the ideas approached here, I'm feeling like this is going to be how I feel on the matter.
1) Extensions must be asked for by 9PM Central on Friday. They must be PM'ed to this account, as I am typically not in the Office account until results day, and Nick checks it sparingly as well.
2) The reason for this is so I can PM everyone in the match and give EVERYONE involved in your match the extension until 9 AM Central on Sunday.
3) If you DO ask for an extension after that, it reserves the right to be declined. If it IS accepted, you face a 1 point penalty on your final score.
4) We reserve the right to deny an extension on consecutive shows.
How does everyone feel about THIS?
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Post by Dazz on May 13, 2014 12:24:48 GMT -6
Taking a lot of the ideas approached here, I'm feeling like this is going to be how I feel on the matter. 1) Extensions must be asked for by 9PM Central on Friday. They must be PM'ed to this account, as I am typically not in the Office account until results day, and Nick checks it sparingly as well. 2) The reason for this is so I can PM everyone in the match and give EVERYONE involved in your match the extension until 9 AM Central on Sunday. 3) If you DO ask for an extension after that, it reserves the right to be declined. If it IS accepted, you face a 1 point penalty on your final score. 4) We reserve the right to deny an extension on consecutive shows. How does everyone feel about THIS? Sounds perfect to me, boss. It's kinda funny because what Rick explained is what I was trying to say earlier (though I'd never heard of another fed doing it so I guess the extension thing's a bigger problem than I thought). I'm happy with that idea.
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Post by HALE BLACK SATIN on May 13, 2014 12:57:16 GMT -6
^^^ Justin Brooks likes this.
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